Comments on: Pirates? Are you serious? http://www.blog.godfidence.org/2008/07/pirates-are-you-serious/ Chronicling my life with Christ Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:44:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Leney http://www.blog.godfidence.org/2008/07/pirates-are-you-serious/comment-page-1/#comment-2828 Leney Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:57:03 +0000 http://www.blog.godfidence.org/?p=375#comment-2828 If God speaks to you, and is in your heart to establish your own church, how could it possibly be a rebellion? I must agree with Jason, if one is able to go to church every Sunday, become part of the council, and keep their heart and mind open to the word of God, what they do with their love of God, religion, and desire to preach is not something that should be chastised, it should be praised. Perhaps they can come up with a new way to deliver the message to new people that otherwise may not listen. If God speaks to you, and is in your heart to establish your own church, how could it possibly be a rebellion? I must agree with Jason, if one is able to go to church every Sunday, become part of the council, and keep their heart and mind open to the word of God, what they do with their love of God, religion, and desire to preach is not something that should be chastised, it should be praised. Perhaps they can come up with a new way to deliver the message to new people that otherwise may not listen.

]]> By: Craig http://www.blog.godfidence.org/2008/07/pirates-are-you-serious/comment-page-1/#comment-2827 Craig Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:57:10 +0000 http://www.blog.godfidence.org/?p=375#comment-2827 I don't think so man. I could go on and about authority it is the key to almost every including faith. Why, because God is the ultimate authority. Look at how many times refers to his authority over Corinths. However, seriously read Under Cover by John Bevere. If you will read (book), listen (Audio) or watch (dvd) I will personally send it to you if you agree to 3 things. 1. send it back 2. before I send it you have a target finish by date 3. You read listen or wath all of it. Any one you pick will take a total of about 12 hours. What ya say. I'm serious man I think this principle could change your life. I don’t think so man. I could go on and about authority it is the key to almost every including faith. Why, because God is the ultimate authority.

Look at how many times refers to his authority over Corinths. However, seriously read Under Cover by John Bevere. If you will read (book), listen (Audio) or watch (dvd) I will personally send it to you if you agree to 3 things.

1. send it back
2. before I send it you have a target finish by date
3. You read listen or wath all of it. Any one you pick will take a total of about 12 hours.

What ya say. I’m serious man I think this principle could change your life.

]]> By: Jason http://www.blog.godfidence.org/2008/07/pirates-are-you-serious/comment-page-1/#comment-2826 Jason Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:10:03 +0000 http://www.blog.godfidence.org/?p=375#comment-2826 Craig, First let me say, thanks for your comments. I don't think you can prove Biblically that it is always rebellion to do what is described here. I know it has almost become doctrine in some circles but the idea of authority you espouse isn't accepted everywhere and is relatively new to the Body of Christ. Craig,
First let me say, thanks for your comments.

I don’t think you can prove Biblically that it is always rebellion to do what is described here. I know it has almost become doctrine in some circles but the idea of authority you espouse isn’t accepted everywhere and is relatively new to the Body of Christ.

]]> By: Craig http://www.blog.godfidence.org/2008/07/pirates-are-you-serious/comment-page-1/#comment-2823 Craig Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:33:27 +0000 http://www.blog.godfidence.org/?p=375#comment-2823 It is never okay to leave the church you are a staff member at and start a church in the same area without permission or blessing from your leader. It's called rebellion! It is kinda the root of how satan became saten. He just "HAD" to do his own thing. People love to use Paul and Barnabas as an example to leave and do your own thing. They were co-labors in a work together not Pastor and Staff Member relationship. If you and a friend start a church together and go your different ways then that would be the same. The problem for Paul and Barnabas was the fact that every ministry needs one head. Even so,they went different ways not the same, as in across town. The idea that Young is talking about is more like if Timothy had done his own thing. If God has called you to start a church great but if you split (which I have never had happen to me but I could have done it) a church to start your own then you are very wrong. When Jimmy Swaggert had his second fall and people began to run like crazy something like 15 different churches were started or split off. Jim Rentz (who I personal talked to at numberous times) was the real pastor of the church in Baton Rouge. He told me of the 15 or so started ONE that's right ONE guy came to him for blessing to do it. Guess what? Pastor Rentz gave it and to my knowledge that church is still going strong. That ONE man had character! Finally, yes these guys would go jail in the corporate world. You can't work for IBM and steal their customer data and use it to build a business. You can't do that, legally forget morally. Anyone who is offended by what Ed Young said either didn't understand what he meant or has HUGE issues with authority. I recommend reading Undercover by John Bevere (not a book about church splits but about God's authority) It is never okay to leave the church you are a staff member at and start a church in the same area without permission or blessing from your leader. It’s called rebellion! It is kinda the root of how satan became saten. He just “HAD” to do his own thing.

People love to use Paul and Barnabas as an example to leave and do your own thing. They were co-labors in a work together not Pastor and Staff Member relationship. If you and a friend start a church together and go your different ways then that would be the same. The problem for Paul and Barnabas was the fact that every ministry needs one head. Even so,they went different ways not the same, as in across town. The idea that Young is talking about is more like if Timothy had done his own thing.

If God has called you to start a church great but if you split (which I have never had happen to me but I could have done it) a church to start your own then you are very wrong.

When Jimmy Swaggert had his second fall and people began to run like crazy something like 15 different churches were started or split off. Jim Rentz (who I personal talked to at numberous times) was the real pastor of the church in Baton Rouge. He told me of the 15 or so started ONE that’s right ONE guy came to him for blessing to do it. Guess what? Pastor Rentz gave it and to my knowledge that church is still going strong. That ONE man had character!

Finally, yes these guys would go jail in the corporate world. You can’t work for IBM and steal their customer data and use it to build a business. You can’t do that, legally forget morally.

Anyone who is offended by what Ed Young said either didn’t understand what he meant or has HUGE issues with authority. I recommend reading Undercover by John Bevere (not a book about church splits but about God’s authority)

]]> By: Jason Fisher http://www.blog.godfidence.org/2008/07/pirates-are-you-serious/comment-page-1/#comment-2817 Jason Fisher Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:29:07 +0000 http://www.blog.godfidence.org/?p=375#comment-2817 I am not saying, by the way, that there isn't a right and wrong way to do things but this just seems to speak to larger issues I have seen. I am not saying, by the way, that there isn’t a right and wrong way to do things but this just seems to speak to larger issues I have seen.

]]> By: Mark http://www.blog.godfidence.org/2008/07/pirates-are-you-serious/comment-page-1/#comment-2816 Mark Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:07:53 +0000 http://www.blog.godfidence.org/?p=375#comment-2816 The other thing is that I'm unaware of even a "church-dense" areas in this nation where there are enough "seats" for everyone in the area. The other thing is that I’m unaware of even a “church-dense” areas in this nation where there are enough “seats” for everyone in the area.

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